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Medic · Jan 19, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

@Regina
I appreciate your response and I was pleased to hear that you and the folks at Anet have already discussed this idea.

@ the other folks who have posted

1. GW2 is not vaporware, this is such a pointless statement its not even worth discussing.

2. A lot of people have made compelling and intelligent arguments against any GW2 info being released. I do want to point out that I am not asking for code or proprietary information, but rather a general idea of the direction and progress of GW2 development.

I can understand Anets desire to make as big a "splash" in the market as possible, however no information at all means that it is very hard to have a relevant discussion with the group of people who at this point are those most likely to purchase GW2. I don't know if anyone is familiar with the term "potato chip economics" but it is much easier for any company to sell a product to consumers who are already customers. Consequently it behooves Anet to keep us engaged before we completely lose interest.

Abedeus · Jan 19, 2009, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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1. GW2 is not vaporware, this is such a pointless statement its not even worth discussing

It sure isn't worth discussing. Check the definition.

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Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product.

It was announced well in advance of release, true. Still hasn't emerged. Or shown any signs of planning on emerging ever.

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1. If you could suggest for Linsey to make a blog, that would rock. I mean she darn near writes blog entries on her talk page regarding making new areas, how to balance, etc.

That, I'd like. She has made more for the community than Regina.

willie nelson · Jan 19, 2009, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

I and the other community managers have asked them regularly to give players GW2 information, and we continue to let them know how anxious you are. Every time I read a thread on the forums about wanting GW2 information, I tell them. This goes the same for our other community managers. Even with four community people bugging them constantly to release GW2 information, we as a company are sticking by this strategy.

I can understand how that may seem like a good strategy given the large discrepancies between people interested in AoC or WAR and people actually playing them after all the hype died down, but you might wanna mention to the guys upstairs that unlike those games, GW already has a huge player base and we don't mind waiting for a game that's finished, but we also wouldn't mind at least a little teaser here and there, not necessarily giant promises, just to remind us it's there... you know

Fril Estelin · Jan 19, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

It was announced well in advance of release, true. Still hasn't emerged. Or shown any signs of planning on emerging ever.

Given Regina's statement above, I think that you should now drop the argument on the vaporware. You may be right that a definition given somewhere (I heard of the term a long while ago and it wasn't meant to be what it is now) matches the current situation, but it's making no point at all. Did they make a mistake with a "splashy" announcement (I <3 re-reading the PCgamer

) too early? Yes, probably. But why care so much? They're working on it, we'll have 3 books at some point, more information will come, GW1 will have new stuff. I can even predict that Anet will probably make other mistakes, they're not perfect, but I don't see any reason to bash them repeatedly with the same stick (unless it's a much more fundamental thing like balance, syncing, etc.) Until then, can we move to more sensible discussions?

AsyaMordina · Jan 19, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

I just hope they take lessons learned from TR and don't make the same mistakes.

http://tinyurl.com/7pusyd

"TR went off the rails on some meandering journeys into research & development for many years burning through lots of cash "

"a project that had already burnt through tens of millions of dollars with almost nothing concrete to show for it"

Nightow · Jan 19, 2009, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I second that people need to start dropping the vaporware BS. Regina & Co. have done their best to get us more info (and I thank them for trying!) but the heads upstairs apparently have a different idea in mind on how to promote GW2.

"Did they make a mistake with a "splashy" announcement too early?" I personally think not since if they did not, then we would have been wondering what the hold up has been on at least chapters 4 and 5. THEN would you truly have a "dead game" or at least the illusion of one.

TL;DR: Cut the vaporware crap and give Regina some slack.

Abedeus · Jan 19, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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TL;DR: Cut the vaporware crap and give Regina some slack.

1. Denying the truth won't change the universe.
2. Why cut her some slack? She's active two days in a month every 2 months, and even then she's like politicians - says some stuff, but carefully goes around the question.

Nightow · Jan 19, 2009, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

1. Denying the truth won't change the universe.
2. Why cut her some slack? She's active two days in a month every 2 months, and even then she's like politicians - says some stuff, but carefully goes around the question.

1)If you can't believe what somebody from anet tells you, the only way you'll ever get any closer to the truth is to go work for them.
2)First, learn to check her discussion page on the wiki more often. Secondly, she does a heck of a lot more talking with the playerbase than Izzy has done.

slowerpoke · Jan 19, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

bet theres info about gw2 after aion gets released sometime this year. im sure ncsoft dont want anything competing with its hype

ps wheres that dev blog Regina

Fril Estelin · Jan 19, 2009, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by AsyaMordina

I just hope they take lessons learned from TR and don't make the same mistakes.

http://tinyurl.com/7pusyd

"TR went off the rails on some meandering journeys into research & development for many years burning through lots of cash "

"a project that had already burnt through tens of millions of dollars with almost nothing concrete to show for it"

This is a very interesting article, I bet most people will not hear a story like this about TR (obviously not readers of this blog

). Also, of relevance to GW2:

Destination Games knew a long long time before TR went to beta that it wasn’t (going to be) ready even for beta, let alone launch. IMHO NCsoft collectively knew very well that TR wasn’t ready for launch, but went ahead and launched it anyway

TR was in development for 7 years (give or take a bit, and arguably just half that depending on whether you count the bit before there was an official “resetting” of the project (and re-shuffling of staff)).

incidentally, I found Valve’s post-mortem discussions of Team Fortress 2 fascinating, revealing that even for a studio with a perfect record of successes making new IPs they still screwed-up the pre-production work on TF2, and only late into the project did they really turn it around into the shining piece of awesomeness that they finally shipped.

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

ps wheres that dev blog Regina

It's not a blog but a wiki "journal" page:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...naobra/Journal

SerenitySilverstar · Jan 19, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

2. Why cut her some slack? She's active two days in a month every 2 months, and even then she's like politicians - says some stuff, but carefully goes around the question.

Actually, she's active everywhere but here on Guru. Funny that.

Fril Estelin · Jan 19, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Actually, she's active everywhere but here on Guru. Funny that.

Are you sure about that? I checked on [email protected] and she's not more vocal. On the other hand the tone is different (I mean both of the forumers and CR?), see:
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/showt...46#post5475246

Honestly, it's nothing new. Gaile had the courage/patience to face a few situations on Guru where a few people were very aggressive. People know that the ambiance on Guru is "tough" and troll-borderline, on average (very high peaks of excellent contributions balanced by quite a number of useless +1's and a few trolls), and I bet the CR is cautious. It's also a lot more time-efficient that way, alas for us.

illidan009 · Jan 20, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Do we want info on GW2? Yes.
Are we gonna get info anytime soon regardless of our wishes on said subject? Probably not.

/thread?

Maybe not yet but I think some of us are being far too optimistic... *they just want to surprise us with something reallll gud!* Um, or they're having troubles doing it right.

Gun Pierson · Jan 20, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Old Man Of Ascalon

I don't see it being done anytime soon

Me neither actually. I've spend some time on dev forums and a decent mmo takes around 5 years they say and even then there's still a lot to be polished. Even if they use existing code next to new code.

I'm just starting to get a grip of that world, but I already acknowledge the complexity of code and game development nowadays. Time is always against them.

SerenitySilverstar · Jan 20, 2009, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Fril - I see Regina, and the other GW crew, using the community spaces they intended ie: their official wiki. Regina made it clear from the start she was approaching the community in a completely different manner to Gaile.

And your right - "time efficient" is the way to put it. I can't see much business sense in placating aggressive forums which make up a minute percentage of your customer base.

Unreal Havoc · Jan 20, 2009, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by Theus

Realistic?

Haha..realistic.

Tell me how many games you know that after announced a year+ with absolutely no new known information have actually came to fruition.

That number is pathetically low.

Low? Yes. Zero? No.

Obrien Xp · Jan 20, 2009, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I am neutral.
I would like more information (the non-used newsletter isn't working)

I want to give the devs every second they can get to get gw2 running.

I know, it's sad.

Some_guy · Jan 20, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Personally, I think they just announced GW 2 too early.. not like it could be avoided or anything, but...

Nightow · Jan 20, 2009, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by Some_guy

Personally, I think they just announced GW 2 too early.. not like it could be avoided or anything, but...

Yeah but what would you have rather had? Have Arenanet not announce GW2 and wonder why the hell the next several chapters were taking so long (just to find out there was no chapter 4,5,6,7,etc) or just patiently wait for GW2?

Choose your answer carefully...

snaek · Jan 20, 2009, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by regina buenaobra

Every time I read a thread on the forums about wanting GW2 information, I tell them.

so its decided...
we must spam guru with constant gw2 threads until the devs give in and give us some info ^___^